I was going to wait and do my podcast on this topic later this evening, but since some of you read this blog and do not listen to the podcast, I think it’s important (at least to me) to address this issue here.
To fully understand what’s bothering me, I need to explain two things. First, there is ipodder.org. Ipodder is a podcast directory. If you visit the site, you will see that all the podcasts listed there are broken down into categories. Each category is overseen by a volunteer, so it’s really a conglomeration of dozens of separate directories. If you could look inside the ‘Education’ directory (it’s down right now), you would find my podcast.
Second, there is Adam Curry. Curry is a former DJ, VJ and is now considered to be one of the fathers of podcasting. He is the idea man behind ipodder.org and, as far as I know, is still the head of the project. His podcast, “Daily Source Code”, is downloaded by thousands of people a day. This fact will become important later.
The trouble started when a white supremacist podcast was listed in the ‘Politics’ category on ipodder. Someone or a group of someones contacted Curry and asked him to remove the podcast from the directory. Instead of doing so immediately, he mentioned the issue on his podcast and asked for listener’s input. Here is the e-mail I sent him:
I listened with interest to your thoughts on xxxxxxxx. This a sticky situation; no matter what happens, someone will be unhappy. But as a student of history, I think I may be able to add something to the conversation.
Whenever someone's profane or offensive material is made less available (I don't use the word "censor" because for something to be censored, there must be a government agency involved---this word is often misused), they inevitably cry about their freedom of speech. First and foremost, iPodder is a private organization of mostly volunteers. Thus, you can pretty much exclude any kind of content with little or no explanation as to why.
However, there is something deeper at work here. In the case of a podcast like xxxxxxx, I believe that the best thing to do is to leave it in the directory and let people hear it. Light is a great disinfectant and I believe hatemongers such as this whither away when
the rest of the world hears their brand of hate.
Think of the example of Nazism. Before World War Two, England, France and the United States turned their backs on what was happening inside Germany. It didn't get much press and so it remained sort of a non-issue. When the war was over and the gates of the concentration camps were open, it was obvious that the world had been silent and disinterested for too long.
Let these people have their day so everyone can see what they're really about. My guess is that they won't be a problem for long.
When I updated iTunes this morning, Curry’s latest podcast was out there. In it, he devoted some time to discussing the e-mails he had received. He started out by saying that one person told him that since iPodder is a private organization, he could pretty much do anything he wants. That, of course, was me. EVERYONE else, Curry said, thought that the creators of the offending podcast had a right to be heard because of our freedom of speech.
I instantly got mad. First, he completely missed the point of my argument. My point was twofold: first, that most people would claim that these people have a right to be heard. In fact, this right does not exist. The freedom of speech mentioned in our Constitution does not give any of us the right to say anything we want at any time. The First Amendment guarantees that the government will not infringe on our speech rights. The owner of a private company, however, has every right in the world to restrict your free speech rights when you are on his property or, in this case, listed on his podcast directory. He may not choose to, but he should not hide his decision behind an argument about free speech. The fact that Curry did shows that he (and many of his listeners) lack a fundamental understanding of how far free speech rights in a free nation actually extend.
I would continue to list the podcast on iPodder. However, as I stated in my e-mail, my only reason for doing so would be to show what sort of losers these dirtbags really are. If you let a moron ramble on long enough, he will prove how stupid he is. These ne’er do well types are the same way. In my opinion, we should let them run their mouths for as long as they want. They will soon tire of doing the real work of podcasting and will go back to crying and cleaning their guns in mommy and daddy’s basement.
Curry did not mention my name during his podcast, so I am sort of “outing” myself by bringing this up. But I find this entire episode disturbing on many levels. On top of that, there is the issue of Curry himself. He is constantly railing against the media and how they treat celebrities. They take things out of context or make things up out of whole cloth. Yet, he takes one sentence out of an e-mail of mine and holds it up so that I come off looking like an idiot, if only to myself.
Sorry to dump this on all of you. And before you suggest it, I am NOT going to write to Adam and ask for a clarification. I don’t expect him to revisit this issue again, so writing would be a waste of time. As I mentioned before, I will talk about this during my podcast tonight, even though it has nothing to do with history.
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Matt,
Before you say that the hatemongers who promote and preach the message of white supremacy will grow tired and out themselves as unintelligent, you need to take another look at the state of the youth in this country.
With divorce rates at over 50%, parents all over this country have failed to realize who suffers when a family becomes broken; that would be the children.
Parents in this country, and countries all over the world have grown distant from the needs of their children, partly because of social change, and partly because younger generations are having kids WAY too young. The innocent become a victim if despise by those who should have loved them the most. The distance grows and the need for love and affection, among other things, becomes a void in the child's life. However, this void must be filled.
Children who are uninformed about the ways of the world are easy prey for those who propogate this kind of hate. They breed children to believe in a brotherhood of like-minded people, a brotherhood that only exists based on the false premises of feigned superiority.
Is any of this new? Nope. It has existed for years. However, with the available media outlets for distribution, the ability to reach out to anyone looking for "something" makes it ever so easy to corrale misled youth into a life filled with hate and contempt.
While I realize that this has nothing to do with your point about free speech, we need to reconsider the effect that allowing hate to be freely distributed online has. Those people may have the right to voice an opinion, but as a nation we have a DUTY to our children to educate, love and protect them from the kinds of things that have already degraded our society into the abyss that it has wandered into.
I'm not going to stand idly by while someone attempts to breed hate into the lives of our future. If we need to do something to supress this kind of ignorance to protect our kids from it, then it is important that we do anything we have to do to stop it.
How did you feel when you found out that slayings in Iraq that claimed the lives of Americans were videotaped and made public online? Was it shocking? Were you angered? Then why is this ok?
For anyone who would like a clearer view of the effect of hate in this country, rent a film called "American History X." I won't spoil any plots, but suffice it to say that the story revolved around a character who comes to terms with the problem of hate, and tries to save his brother from the same path of destruction. It is a powerful and gripping film that should be watched.
Posted by: Troy Overton
at September 23, 2005 02:27 PM
Matt,
Maybe he didn't reference your email at all. Maybe he got an email from someone that said it's your site you can do whatever you want. Since he has many listeners I assume he received a lot of emails. Maybe you are getting bent about nothing.
Posted by: Sly
at September 23, 2005 03:05 PM
Sly, you may be write. In fact, since I posted this, I have decided not to do my podcast about it. I always said that blogging is good therapy.
Troy, I agree with you to a point. However, who gets to decide what is and is not hateful and should thus be censored?
Posted by: Matt_D
at September 23, 2005 03:34 PM
Let's start with common sense, then maybe the majority. Do we really need to get to the point of common decency?
Since when was genocide not considered hateful?
Posted by: Troy Overton
at September 23, 2005 03:52 PM